Session Start: Wed Sep 03 12:06:01 2008
Session Ident: #philosophy
15[12:06] * Now talking in #philosophy
04[12:06] * Topic is ‘Neff Log Cabin Republican: Neff <3 Sarah Palin'
[12:07] <+dwightish> man
[12:07] <+dwightish> the king of swaziland has it made
[12:07] <+joeee> no doubt
[12:07] <+dwightish> his entire country spends 45 million dollars in 2 entire years on healthcare
[12:07] <+dwightish> but he owns the best sports cars in the world
[12:08] <+dwightish> (he doesnt have a jet… but almost got a 45 million dollar one last year – the same price as 2 years of healthcare for his nation)
[12:09] <+dwightish> Hundreds of Swazi women have marched through the streets of the capital to protest about a shopping trip taken by nine of the king’s 13 wives.
[12:09] <+dwightish> They chartered a plane last week to go to Europe and the Middle East.
[12:09] <+dwightish> The BBC’s Thulani Mthethwa says the protesters handed in a petition to the finance ministry saying the money could have been better spent.
[12:09] <+dwightish> “We can’t afford a shopping trip when a quarter of the nation lives on food aid,” they chanted.
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[12:19] <+Byronik> italians jsut want to fuck you in the ass
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[12:20] <+Byronik> I expect everybody wants to fuck acceb in the ass
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[12:21] <+Byronik> There’s such a thing as soap and water
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[12:21] <+truth> Why use her ass when she has a perfectly functioning vagina?
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[12:21] <+truth> That just makes no sense.
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[12:22] <+truth> If you’d fuck a woman in her ass, you’d probably fuck a guy in his.
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15[12:22] * Mises sets mode: +t
[12:22] <+lorax> rulez ass
[12:22] <+lorax> ur vagina rulez ass lol
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[12:24] <+Byronik> truth – If a woman’s ass looks like a man’s ass, i can’t go near it
[12:24] <+lorax> (|) > (_)_)
[12:25] <+lorax> although some here would disagree
[12:25] <+truth> I bet if we lined up a bunch of pics of ass and tested, mans vs. woman, results would be terrible.
[12:25] <+truth> That’s a great website idea, btw.
[12:25] <+Byronik> AssBook
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15[12:26] * DSynTreo is ircing at lunch
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15[12:26] * Mises sets mode: -t
[12:26] <+imfinite> republican beliefs lead to loneliness
[12:26] <+imfinite> it is proven
[12:26] <+lorax> what’s for lunch
[12:26] <+lorax> let me guess
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[12:27] <@bougyman> bacon chili cheese bacon burger, with a side of bacon.
[12:27] <+lorax> at least one of the stomachs is digesting bacon
[12:27] <+lorax> that’s a safe guess
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[12:27] <+truth> bible courses now mandatory in public schools in Texas.
[12:27] <+truth> TEXAS! TEXAS! TEXAS!
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[12:28] <@ledbetter> it is not mandatory
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[12:29] <@ledbetter> they cant even say under god in the pledge of allegiance
[12:29] <@ledbetter> i spelled that wrong
15[12:29] * DSynTreo is enjoying the view at waffle house
15[12:29] * Dejacque sets mode: -b *!hsssss@*.dhcp.inet.fi
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[12:30] <+imfinite> I kind of want Vista
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[12:31] <@bougyman> The Bible’s history and literature will be required to be taught in public schools in Texas under a new law that has been clarified by the state attorney general to mean exactly what it says.
[12:31] <@bougyman> the school has to offer it, students are not required to take the course.
[12:31] <+imfinite> but the aren’t fucking required to offer Latin
[12:31] <+imfinite> i need a gun
[12:31] <@bougyman> latin is dead.
[12:31] <@cheez> let’s require them to teach the Koran too!
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[12:32] <@bougyman> how much english literature is derived from the koran?
[12:32] <@cheez> I can see requiring a ‘world religions’ class.
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[12:32] <@cheez> I can’t see requiring a bible class.
[12:32] <@bougyman> there are 1,300 references to the bible in Shakespear.
[12:32] <@cheez> bougyman: enough to be taught in english lit.
[12:32] <@bougyman> how many references to the koran?
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[12:32] <@bougyman> onebox30: it’s a literature course, not a religion course.
[12:32] <@cheez> Doesn’t matter. It belongs in a literature class, not in a class devoted to the bible.
[12:33] <@bougyman> onebox30: it’s framed solely in the context of literature
[12:33] <@cheez> It inherently becomes a religion course if it’s scope is limited to the bible.
[12:33] <@bougyman> cheez ^^.
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[12:33] <@cheez> onebox30: no doubt.
[12:33] <@bougyman> Saenz told WND the actual curriculum ? whether schools use only the Bible or another text ? is left up to the local school district boards.
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[12:34] <@bougyman> you can’t get through the whole bible in even two semesters of high school in anything close to complete coverage.
[12:35] <+Byronik> It’s worth reading the bible as literature anyway
[12:35] <@cheez> Who cares? The bible has no place being taught in a public school outside of a literature class.
[12:35] <@bougyman> cheez: it _is_ a literature class.
[12:35] <@cheez> And calling this a lit. class is retarded.
[12:35] <@cheez> bougyman: if it is solely focused on the bible, it’s not a literature class.
[12:35] <@bougyman> literature and history.
[12:35] <@cheez> It’s a bible class.
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[12:35] <@bougyman> arguing with the fact that it’s a literature class is silly.
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[12:35] <@bougyman> have you taken it?
[12:35] <@cheez> bougyman: calling it a literature class is silly.
[12:35] <@cheez> Literature is about books.
[12:35] <@cheez> PLURAL.
[12:35] <@bougyman> they offer it in colleges around the country and it’s LITERATURE or HISTORY credit.
[12:35] <@cheez> Not The Book.
[12:35] <@cheez> Yes, colleges.
[12:35] <@cheez> As an optional class.
[12:36] <@bougyman> cheez: look at the scope of the book?
[12:36] <+Byronik> Keep creationism out of the science class. Put bible knowledge into the arts, where you need it
[12:36] <@cheez> Not as a required high school curriculum.
[12:36] <@bougyman> it’s an option class for high school jrs and seniors.
[12:36] <@bougyman> it’s not required, it’s an elective.
[12:36] <@cheez> 16:31 < bougyman (bougyman)> The Bible’s history and literature will be required to be taught in public schools in Texas under a
[12:36] <@cheez> required doesn’t mean required?
[12:36] <@bougyman> yes, required to be offered by the schools.
[12:36] <@bougyman> they have to offer it as an elective to jrs and srs.
[12:36] <@cheez> re. tard. ed.
[12:36] <@cheez> and I can’t believe you’re defending it, though I shouldn’t really be surprised
[12:37] <@bougyman> it’s simply not a religious course.
[12:37] <+imfinite> i thikn i’m getting sick
[12:38] <@cheez> bougyman, if the only book it teaches about is the bible, then it BECOMES a religious course, regardless of what label you apply to it.
15[12:38] * DSynTreo offers aspirin
[12:38] <@bougyman> cheez: because you say so?
15[12:38] * Mises sets mode: -b *!54852@*.nyx.net
[12:38] <@cheez> No, because it is.
[12:38] <@bougyman> cheez: as a piece of literature, the bible cannot be studied in a couple weeks.
[12:38] <@bougyman> or even a couple months.
[12:38] <+Byronik> Bible scholarship turned Bart Ehrman into an atheist
[12:39] <@bougyman> it takes a longer period.
[12:39] <@cheez> bougyman: that’s why universities offer bible courses.
[12:39] <@bougyman> Byronik: me, too.
[12:39] <@cheez> Which is where it belongs.
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[12:39] <@cheez> DSynTreo: I’d argue that we deserve a course on the constitution and bill of rights before the bible
[12:39] <@cheez> in Public Schools.
[12:39] <@bougyman> cheez: of the current AP high school literature material, fully 60% contains biblical references.
[12:39] <@cheez> Great!
[12:39] <@cheez> goodl.
[12:39] <@bougyman> i think students should be able to be exposed to the meaning behind those references.
[12:39] <@cheez> they NEED to learn about it, in a literature reference.
[12:39] <@bougyman> no, you freak.
[12:40] <@cheez> you can think whatever you like.
[12:40] <@bougyman> they need to learn about it for context into the literature that refers to it!
[12:40] <+Byronik> Aside from literature, you need to know your bible to understand a lot of paintings, sculptures and music
[12:40] <@cheez> yeah, an entire two semester 1 hour class five days a week.
[12:40] <@bougyman> exactly, Byronik.
[12:40] <@cheez> for high school kids.
[12:40] <@cheez> re. tard. ed.
[12:40] <+Byronik> In fact, a lot of good jokes don’t make sense unless you know your bible
[12:40] <@cheez> Byronik: great! that’s why I read the bible on my own tiem.
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[12:40] <@cheez> I went to public schools.
[12:41] <@bougyman> this isn’t a mandate to force kids to read the bible.
[12:41] <+Byronik> cheez – And kids should have to read it in their own time. Set them some serious essays about biblical topics
[12:41] <@cheez> read past tense, I don’t have much use for a bunch of outdated parables.
[12:41] <@cheez> ‘have to’
[12:41] <@bougyman> it’s the removal of a provision that did not allow using the bible as a literature text at all.
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[12:41] <@cheez> bougyman: it’s a mandate to force the use of taxpayer dollars from the government to pay for the mandatory teaching of a christian text.
[12:42] <@cheez> It’s bullshit.
[12:42] <@bougyman> DSynTreo: 163 schools teach it.
[12:42] <@bougyman> Death_Syn: to teach it they had to have 15 kids volunteer for it.
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[12:42] <@bougyman> Death_Syn: that’s a bigger uptake than most new courses.
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[12:42] <+Byronik> I enjoy listening to Bart Ehrman’s lectures on YouTube
[12:43] <@bougyman> cheez: it’s only mandated when 15 kids want to take it.
[12:43] <@bougyman> cheez: would you deny the students the right to take the course?
[12:43] <+Byronik> Sarah Palin is a creationist
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[12:44] <+Byronik> acceb2 – Yeah, so?
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[12:44] <+Byronik> I didn’t ask for an explanation
[12:44] <@bougyman> in one dallas school, 160 students signed up for the course.
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[12:44] <+Byronik> my so referred to what the fuck you’re expecting considering the bimbo’s going to be your veep
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[12:45] <+Byronik> acceb2 – All those pro-choice Hillary supporters want to vote for McCain
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[12:46] <+Byronik> And they’re dazzled by Sarah Palin’s cleavage
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[12:46] <+Byronik> They’re just going to follow the vag
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[12:46] <+Byronik> Silly to mention the polls if they don’t matter much
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[12:47] <+Byronik> Durtro – It does if the prez is at death’s door
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[12:47] <+Byronik> I remember Congress and how it stopped the stupid war in Iraq from starting
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[12:47] <@bougyman> Durtro: isn’t SCOTUS still only one swing vote away from overturning roe v wade?
[12:48] <+Byronik> I think Congress woke up about 9 months into the war and said “WTF?”
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[12:48] <@bougyman> i think that gives the president more influence into abortion than into most.
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[12:48] <+Byronik> Stacking the supreme court with nutters is the time honored way of fixing these things
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[12:48] <@cheez> bougyman: I’d deny them using taxpayer dollars for it unless it also taught the koran, perhaps the book of mormon, perhaps the buddhist sutras and kangyur/tengyur, the confucian five classics and four books, and so on
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[12:49] <+Byronik> Impeach FDR!
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[12:49] <@bougyman> cheez: what you’re describing _is_ a religion course.
[12:49] <+Byronik> I agree with Durtro
[12:49] <@bougyman> it’s not focusing on text or literary value.
[12:49] <@cheez> indeed, and that’s what this course will be regardless of what you call it.
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[12:49] <@bougyman> there is literary value in the bible to the rest of english literature an AP student will encounter.
[12:50] <@bougyman> cheez: can you make that argument for any of the other books?
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[12:50] <+joeee> cheez is this still teaching the bible instead of evolution (or as well) because they’re equally of merit?
[12:50] <@cheez> bougyman: absolutely and without a doubt.
[12:50] <+Byronik> bougyman – The complete works of Shakespeare
[12:50] <@bougyman> no, joeee
[12:50] <+joeee> good
[12:50] <@bougyman> Byronik: he was talking about other religious texts, none of which I see as English Literature value.
[12:50] <+Byronik> Throughout your education, you should be reading Shakespeare and The Bible.
[12:50] <@cheez> so what you’re saying is that even though most high schools don’t even do english literature anymore as a specific course, that they should teach the bible because it’s the foundations of english lit?
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[12:50] <@cheez> that’s fucking hilarious.
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[12:51] <@bougyman> cheez: yes, they do, for AP courses.
[12:51] <@cheez> only for AP though.
[12:51] <@cheez> It’s not required graduation curriculum any longer.
15[12:51] * Satyricon got a 5 on the AP lit exam.
[12:51] <+Byronik> Durtro – Fundamentalism is a mental condition
[12:51] <@cheez> no more 4th year english required.
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[12:51] <@bougyman> i dunno bout minimum requirements.
[12:51] <+Byronik> Durtro – Seems to be a problem in the USA
[12:51] <@bougyman> kyri’s all AP courses this year.
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[12:52] <@cheez> The torah is another great one.
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[12:52] <@cheez> fruitbag: the majority of it.
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[12:52] <@cheez> Well the talmud too, then, Durtro.
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[12:55] <+Byronik> You’d rather kiddy porn fanatics were attractive?
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[12:55] <+Byronik> Most Anglican priests look creepy
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[12:55] <+Byronik> fruitbag – I think the profession attracts pedophiles
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[12:56] <+Byronik> Scoutmasters, teachers, priests…
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[12:56] <+Byronik> They gravitate to a position of trust where they get to spend time with other people’s children
[12:57] <+Byronik> It’s like the way California has more blonde babes at the beach
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[12:57] <+Byronik> So?
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[12:58] <+Byronik> And that has something to do with pervy priests?
[12:58] <+Byronik> I think it’s generally more to do with controlling the women
[12:59] <+Byronik> Ownership and manipulation
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[13:00] <+Byronik> How about the reverse? Suppose the priesthood (any priesthood) is more of an option for boys who grow up sexually oppressed.
[13:00] <+Byronik> repressed even
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[13:00] <+Byronik> fruitbag – It’s supposed to be funny
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[13:01] <+Byronik> Clarkson gets laughs by playing the xenophobic fogey
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[13:01] <+Byronik> You should read his newspaper columns. He’s a surprisingly clever writer
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[13:01] <+Byronik> Jonathan Ross is an ass
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[13:01] <@Death_Syn> I”m back!
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[13:02] <+Byronik> Clarkson has been playing the same schtick for about 25 years and it plays very well to British and Commonwealth sensibilities
[13:02] <+z00p> THANK GOD
[13:02] <+z00p> DS IS BACK
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[13:02] <+Byronik> We think it’s funny to hate the French
[13:02] <+Byronik> But we love them really
15[13:02] * @Death_Syn huggles z00p
[13:02] <+z00p> and apparently acceb’s vag rules us all
[13:02] <+z00p> GET OFF ME YOU PSYCHO
[13:02] <+Byronik> It’s always popular to say rude things about the Welsh too
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15[13:03] * @Death_Syn cockslaps z00p
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[13:03] <@Death_Syn> welsh chicks seem pretty cute
[13:03] <+Byronik> fruitbag – What exactly did he say?
[13:03] <@Death_Syn> or the ones I’ve seen so far, at least
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[13:04] <+Byronik> That’s so terrible?
[13:04] <+Byronik> Most Brits say things like that all the time
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[13:04] <@Death_Syn> david schwimmer is a failboat
[13:04] <+Byronik> David Schwimmer just doesn’t get it
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[13:05] <+Byronik> Whatever
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[13:05] <@Death_Syn> what’s that dude done since friends?
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[13:05] <+Byronik> “Bloody Americans” is not a personal attack
[13:05] <+Byronik> It’s just bluster
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[13:06] <+Byronik> fruitbag – I wish Clarkson had clocked him one
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[13:06] <+Byronik> Ross is a wanker and he probably couldn’t come up with anything clever to say
[13:06] <+Byronik> No
[13:06] <+Byronik> Clarkson is very safe and middle class
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[13:06] <+z00p> zomg
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[13:06] <+Byronik> That’s just crass. Not controversial at all
[13:07] <+z00p> david schwimmer = fail
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[13:07] <+z00p> Satyricon = fail
[13:07] <+evenin`> hi
[13:07] <+z00p> Satyricon = David Schwimmer?
[13:07] <+Byronik> It’s artful that he plays as if he’s a big kid
[13:07] <+evenin`> i think the “fail” meme should die
[13:07] <+z00p> ^- fail
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[13:07] <+evenin`> “fail” is some kind of forum-kiddie speak
[13:07] <+z00p> yea it really is
[13:07] <+z00p> i’m not going to use that anymore
[13:07] <+Byronik> fruitbag – He’s nowhere near that line
[13:08] <+z00p> thanks 4d
[13:08] <+evenin`> np
[13:08] <+z00p> DS is a cum-curtain
[13:08] <+Byronik> fruitbag – He’s comfortable within the vast middle of the road
15[13:08] * +z00p is still going to use cum-curtain though
[13:08] <+z00p> thanks howto
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15[13:08] * +z00p attacks howto with a virus
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15[13:08] * howto is tremendously damaged by the virus and takes 1182 damage!
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15[13:09] * @bougyman attacks z00p with kindness
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[13:09] <+Byronik> fruitbag – Clarkson would never call a black person a N….
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[13:09] <+Byronik> fruitbag – He’s way safe
15[13:09] * +z00p does the matrix
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[13:09] <@Death_Syn> howto: run for it!
15[13:09] * howto duck-and-covers
[13:09] <+Byronik> He plays stereotypes but he’s not a hater
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[13:10] <+z00p> Seinfeld used to be funny when i was a lot younger
[13:10] <@Death_Syn> yeah
[13:10] <@Death_Syn> seinfeld doesn’t date well
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[13:10] <+Byronik> I wouldn’t date Seinfeld
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[13:10] <@Death_Syn> Byronik: i should hope not!
[13:10] <+Byronik> I was a big fan of Michael Richards before the melt down at the comedy club
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[13:12] <+Byronik> fruitbag – http://www.tvscoop.tv/2006/11/tv_review_frida.html This was two fucking years ago
[13:13] <+z00p> those fuckers got like $700k PER EPISODE of Seinfeld
[13:13] <+z00p> how many episodes were there again?
[13:13] <+z00p> Jesus H Chreezy they’re like the richest fuckers alive
[13:13] <+Byronik> “The moment it became clear that Clarkson was to steal the show was when, within a matter of seconds of sitting on the sofa, Clarkson quipped “I hate Americans” and made a hand gesture which alluded to onanism.”
15[13:13] * +z00p changes his name to Jewish Comedian
[13:13] <+z00p> ok somebody hire me for a show
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[13:14] <+z00p> why the hell would i want my cock mutilated?
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15[13:14] * Mises sets mode: +v xiw
[13:14] <+z00p> oh i remember you’re the jackass who thinks circumcision is some kind of dysfunctional attribute
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[13:14] <+z00p> !kick satyricon not having that conversation
15[13:14] * Satyricon was kicked by Mises (z00p: not having that conversation)
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[13:15] <+z00p> cock enthusiast
[13:15] <+xiw> circumcision is one hundred percent unnatural and unnecessary.
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[13:15] <+z00p> NO
[13:15] <+z00p> XIW DON’T DO IT
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[13:15] <+xiw> z00p: just stating the obvious here.
[13:15] <+z00p> don’t… start that shit.
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[13:15] <+z00p> oh jesus christ now you’ve done it
[13:15] <+evenin`> i have a big face
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[13:15] <+z00p> you’ve conjured the black hole of argument
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[13:16] <+z00p> (downstairs for more nachos)
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[13:17] <+evenin`> isn’t that where ted bundy killed two girls at the beach
[13:17] <+evenin`> women
[13:17] <+xiw> anyway, there are no real benefits to circumcision. it’s fucking weird to have large portions of the population to go through with what is essentially mild genital mutilation for the sole sake of not sticking out.
[13:17] <+evenin`> i think it is miaux
[13:17] <+evenin`> doesnt that place have bad mojo
[13:17] <+z00p> !kick xiw NO
15[13:17] * xiw was kicked by Mises (z00p: NO)
[13:17] <+evenin`> hi segue
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15[13:18] * Mises sets mode: +v xiw
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[13:18] <+z00p> xiw i swear to God if you don’t stop cockchat you will be removed
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[13:18] <+evenin`> ick vagina
[13:18] <+xiw> miaux: that’s even sadder.
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[13:19] <+evenin`> vagina’s are science fair experiments
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[13:19] <+evenin`> always some shit festering or growing in them
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[13:19] <+evenin`> some guys old used cum hanging around in them
[13:19] <+z00p> vaginas are rave parties for virus and bacteria
[13:19] <+z00p> they are actually in there with glowsticks
[13:19] <+z00p> rocking out.
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[13:19] <+xiw> so, I just had a tomato salad with sun dried tomatoes, fresh tomatoes, tuna marinated in tomato sauce, drenched it all in ketchup and served with a side dish of tomatoes and a large glass of tomato juice.
[13:19] <+evenin`> z00p: don’t forget funguses
[13:20] <+Byronik> I’m sure acceb’s vagina is a fine place to be when a hurricane hits
[13:20] <+z00p> yes, can’t forget that
[13:20] <+z00p> and worms.
[13:20] <+xiw> the tomato marinated tuna was surprisingly good.
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[13:20] <+evenin`> the worst part about a vagina is the sloppy seconds you get
[13:20] <+Byronik> he’s a fungi to be with
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[13:20] <+z00p> i’m a real FUN-GUY
[13:20] <+evenin`> thats just nasty to be re-using some other guy’s fuckhole
[13:20] <+z00p> har har har har har! please kill me.
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[13:20] <+xiw> this salad would benefit from hard boiled eggs and a complimentary blowjob tho.
[13:20] <+Byronik> fruitbag – I’d have to research in depth
[13:21] <+evenin`> fuckholes are just nasty, no doubt about it
[13:21] <+Byronik> and with all investigative journalism, the main problem is usually access
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[13:22] <+Byronik> fruitbag – “He also managed to poke fun at Richard Hammond and his near fatal car crash which Ross gleefully joined in with. ”
[13:22] <+himmy> evenin` If the curtains were thinner, you could have one for dinner.
[13:22] <+evenin`> so foul
[13:22] <+evenin`> pls stop the images of vaginas
[13:22] <+himmy> Stop defaming fuckholes.
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[13:23] <+Byronik> I’m sure acceb’s fuckholes are fragrant and delicious
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[13:23] <+z00p> Chronicles of Riddick = only good one
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[13:23] <+z00p> Satyricon what’s his best movie then?
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[13:23] <+z00p> OK THEN SHUT UP
[13:23] <+Byronik> fruitbag – Find me Guilty was a good one
[13:23] <+z00p> since you can’t find the good in ANYTHING
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[13:23] <+xiw> Chronicles of Riddick is a true epic.
[13:23] <@Death_Syn> z00p: he finds it in food
[13:23] <+z00p> i don’t doubt that
[13:23] <+z00p> and gay porn probably
[13:24] <+himmy> find me guilty was great.
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[13:24] <+Byronik> fruitbag – You need to watch Find Me Guilty (2006)
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[13:24] <+Byronik> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419749/
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[13:24] <+Byronik> Superb performance
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[13:25] <+evenin`> pitch black was ok
[13:25] <+z00p> Chronicles of Riddick > Pitch BLack
[13:25] <+z00p> more ass kicking
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[13:25] <+himmy> Find me guilty was taken from an actual court case.
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[13:25] <+z00p> I like the necromonger idea.
[13:25] <+Byronik> himmy – Great film
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[13:25] <+Byronik> Sidney Lumet
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15[13:25] * Mises sets mode: +t
[13:26] <+himmy> Necromonger is a dead issue.
[13:26] <+himmy> npi
[13:26] <+Byronik> Jackie Dee don’t rat!
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[13:26] <+himmy> He wooed the jury so well.
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[13:26] <+evenin`> intertubes
[13:26] <+himmy> I have it on my DVR.
15[13:26] * Mises sets mode: +o miaux
[13:27] <+himmy> I am gonna watch it again.
[13:27] <@miaux> i will not entertain any private discussions about bans or lack of banning
[13:27] <+z00p> NO METALCHAT
[13:27] <+imfinite> BAN
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[13:27] <+evenin`> ban [Edgar]
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